Wichita Board of Appeals of Plumbers and Gas Fitters Minutes Wednesday, August 22nd, 2007 Present: Leon Breedlove, Terry Irwin, David Lefler, Jerry Short, Richard Tade and Don Vaughn, Sr. Members Absent: Keith Brewer Staff: Dan Leidy, Kim Mudd, and Billie Vines Guests Present: Rodger Eaton, of Eaton Plumbing; Lonny Wright; John Shepherd, of Local #441; Ray Frederick of Frederick Plumbing & Heating, Inc.; Bob Shepherd, of IAPMO, Ron Means, of Means Construction Services; Mike Dirck, of A-Plus Plumbing; John Clark, of Central Air Conditioning; Gregg Cummings, of Cummings & Fitzsimmons; Mark Herndon, of Plumbing Association of Central Kansas; and Don Patry, of Tap of Kansas Don Vaughn, seconded by David Lefler moved to accept the minutes, motion passed 6 - 0. The agenda was adjusted to meet the public's timetable. Mike Dirck, of A-Plus Plumbing wanted a clarification on the article written in the CINCH in regards to the water heaters being installed in sleeping rooms or bathrooms. Dan Leidy explained that the article was in correct. Mr. Dirck proceeded to discuss Chapter 5, the Greensburg codes, Chapter 3, Chapter 13, Chapter 5 and a concern on south Hydraulic in regards to a handyman installing a water heater. These topics were discussed and no action was taken. Jerry Short, requested discussion on changing the board meeting time to later in the day. Discussion was held. Jerry Short, moved to have the Plumbing Board meeting meet on the first Wednesday of the month and the time be moved to 5:00 p.m., motion failed due to lack of second. Mark Herndon was not present to present his agenda. Dan Leidy, requested for the past and present Board Members to receive credit for their time as members to be credited toward their Continuing Education Credits. Discussion was held and Don Vaughn, seconded by Richard Tade to table this topic until the September meeting, motion carried 5 - 1. Mark Herndon arrived and presented amendments to the 2006 International Plumbing Code Book. Mr. Herndon also announced that the PACK would be teaching under the 2006 International Plumbing Code Book. Major discussion was held between the board and the public that was in attendance. No action was taken at this time. Don Vaughn, seconded by Richard Tade moved to recess into Executive Session to return at 10:10 a.m., motion carried, 6 - 0. The Board returned from Executive Session at 10:12. Chairman, Terry Irwin reported that the board would be writing some board procedures and those presenting an agenda to the board would be limited to 5 minutes for their presentation. Ray Frederick, responded that he was respectful of this but the Mechanical Board has not had a problem. A lengthy discussion was held on the new Water Conditioning Proposal. After discussion, Don Vaughn, seconded by Jerry Short, to change the minimum experience requirements from one year to two years, motion carried 6 - 0. Don Vaughn, seconded by David Lefler to approve the Water Conditioning Proposal as revised and submit to the Law Department, motion carried 6 - 0. A very lengthy and heated discussion was held on the adoption of the plumbing code. David Lefler shared that he had changed his mind from the previous meeting and was in favor of the 2006 International Plumbing Code Book. Jerry Short expressed that he was very serious about the plumbing industry and did not think the International Code was not as simplified and was not in the best interest of the consumer and the industry and he was in favor of the 2006 Uniform Plumbing Code Book. Don Vaughn did not agree that the International Code was not in the best interest for the consumer and objects to the Uniform Code. Richard Tade, seconded by Don Vaughn moved to accept the 2006 International Plumbing Code, motion carried, 5 - 1. Richard Tade, seconded by David Lefler moved to accept the 2006 International Residential Code, motion carried, 5 - 1. Ray Frederick approached the board to enlighten those in attendance on how they would proceed to the City Council and do the review, this lead into a heated and lengthy discussion. Jerry Short wanted to voice his opinion that he thought this was a railroad job with the City Council replacing so many board members at one time. Discussion continued and remained heated and hostile. Richard Tade, seconded by David Lefler, moved the meeting be adjourned, motion passed 6 - 0. Executive Session (9:50 a.m. to 10:12 a.m.) Present: Leon Breedlove, Terry Irwin, David Lefler, Jerry Short, Richard Tade and Don Vaughn, Sr. Staff: Dan Leidy and Kim Mudd Topic of discussion was limiting public agenda items to a five-minute presentation and request to speak must be in writing. Topic of discussion was the Mechanical Board had adopted the 2006 International Fuel and Gas Book. Topic of discussion was the agenda being prepared earlier for more time to review.